Oleysa from
mailto:brownrice@rambler.ru wrote in the guestbook "You say life is so bad,full of sorrows,troubles and ends in death - and why make children suffer.
Does it mean you would like to end your "terrible" lives as soon as possible because of all reasons you mentioned or it is
still worth it to live it to end?"
Please don't try to get smart. It isn't working my dear. In answer to your sarcastic message, we don’t
believe in ending lives because that’s called murder. I advocate prevention. And also, your question was already answered
in the FAQ section of my site before you posted it in the guestbook. Please do read before you make a fool of yourself in
front of the whole World Wide Web. Anyone who asks a question that has already been answered in the FAQ section of a webpage,
has proven themselves to be an ignoramus that can neither read well nor follow directions. That proves that you did not investigate
our findings with an open mind. You simply tried to shame us and make us look bad. But it didn’t work and it never will.
1. "I don't see the point in people being made to feel guilty"
Breeders like everyone else need to be held accountable for their actions. If the truth make them feel uncomfortable
and guilty, then so be it. Like it or not society deifies them for the good that they do, so they have to take the bitter
with the sweet. If they can't face it, then what right have they to do it?
2. " Why are you only focusing on the suffering!"
We're not. It may seem as though we do for society simply tries to brush the bad under the rug or "tough love"
it away. Just because we face the bad in life, doesn't mean that we dwell on it. You don't know how we are in our day to day
life. I find that it's easier to deal with life when you don't suppress the truth and you face the truth head on.
3. "I still look at life as a gift. The bad is balanced by the good." Just because you choose to see a red shirt
as orange, the shirt does not magically turn orange. What gift is full of trouble and ends in death? There is good in the
world and we did ackowledge that. But it does not erase the bad. I wish it did. Breeders run from death and pain. If they
don't want to face it, then how DARE they force it on anyone else?
4. "The idea that parents owe the child makes me cringe!"
The truth hurts. Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it false. Parents should be held accountable
for their actions. If you hate the idea of owing and debt, then talk to the credit card companies and the power companies
out there. I didn't create the system. I just acknowledge it.
5. "These views on the site will cause some major entitlement issues!"
People have been having entitlement issues since the beginning of time. Moral Childfree is not to blame. If people
choose to abuse the information on this site, then that's on them. Many parents who have entitlement issues can be squashed
by the information provided by Moral Childfree.
6. "We don't need more people who think that the world owes them something!"
I never said the WORLD owes anyone. I simply said that the parent owes more to the child than vice-versa.
7. "Children will have an 'oh poor me, my parents had me, boo hoo' attitude"
Not necessarily. If they choose to abuse the information, then that's them. But I believe that they shall be
liberated by our ideas. I was freed from society's "they gave you life!" guilt machine when I discovered the truth and I've
never felt more free. Just because they acknowledge facts doesn't mean that they have to wallow in them. I don't and I didn't
even when I was younger.
8. "Your philosophy is over the top".
I agree. That doesn't however, make our philosophy false. We may seem to overexplain things but that is only
because these ideas are new and radical and we want people to understand. The sentence"Your kind words make my heart glad"
is more over the top than "I like what you said" but it is no less true.
9. "If life is as you describe, then you're saying we should kill everyone off in mercy and then kill ourselves"
I don't believe in murder. I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. You're simply proving
us right. People who were never brought here don't have to die at all by murder or any other means.
10. "Breeders already think we're crazy! If you spout this, you'll sound just as crazy as them."
So, you think that we should sugarcoat the truth to make it more palatable to procreators? That's ridiculous!
Some of them will think childfree people are crazy no matter what we do. Society makes sure that parents get praised
for the good they do to the point of sheer nausea. So, what is so crazy about forcing them to take the bitter with the sweet?
They are constantly telling their children that they have to take the good with the bad. So now they have to practice
what they preach.
11. "This is not going to stop the entitlement attitudes among breeders."
Maybe it will or maybe it won't. It will however let them know that we are not going to stand for their credit
taking hypocrisy any longer and that we refuse to be made guilty for being born for that was THEIR choice.
12. " So if my motives for not bringing a child into this world have nothing to do with sparing them the harsh reality
of life or overpopulation does that make me Immoral Childfree?
Personally, that web site just sounded like an excuse
that you could put forward if someone pressured you about why you're not having children. It sounds very self serving to call
yourself Morally Childfree on their philosophy. I'm here to say I'm child free because I want to be, ya'll can fend for yourself.
Please let's just drop the judgement call and this need to be morally superior to one another and just tell it like
it is. I don't want to have children, I'm not planning to have children, and I'm not going to have children. I am under no
obligation to reproduce and I am under no obligation to take care of other people's children.
It's good to know this
information is out there and that others subscribe to this philosophy but moralchildfree still sounded like a moral high horse.
" posted by Jezebel on ChildfreebyChoice on tribe.net
The very fact that you jumped to conclusions about how we would label you because your reasons are different
from ours showed that you are insecure in yourself and your motives and this site made you feel guilty. We never
said you or others like you were immoral...you simply are different and that's that. How is it self serving
to say that you didn't have children for moral reasons? We just state facts the way they are. It's just like
if I eat vegetables for health reason, not because I like them. Then I'd be eating right for health reasons, not for
reasons related to my tastebuds. When you quipped "tell it like it is", you are implying that we really don't believe
this and that we really chose not to have children out of selfish reasons like perhaps YOU did. Believe it or not, everyone
is not like you. You are making a judgment on us by pretending that we are not sincere. I get no money from this
site and neither do our friends and supporters...I am doing this because I believe that the truth should come out. We
are not judging you...we are simply stating our beliefs. If that makes you feel inadequate or like you have to bring
us down and "expose" us as being insincere, then that's tough. We are not on a high horse...we simply are people who
believe in spreading the truth. Moral Childfree is simply a name...we had to call it something didn't we? We are
childfree for moral reasons...it that so difficult to grasp? Is the name that far fetched? It is just a name...just
like African American is a name. They are called African Americans because they are from Africa and live in and/or were
born in America. It is that simple. It is because of people like you that we exist. Plain childfree groups
don't offer enough support because they don't understand our views and/or ridicule them worse than parents do. That's
why Moral Childfree exists...to offer support in a world where everyone--even childfrees--believes that people have to be
like them or if they are not they are lying or so wrong.
12. Taylor wrote : "OKAY, SOME OF THINGS YOU SAID WERE OKAY, MY BELIEFS ARE DONT BRING ANOTHER MOUTH TO FEED INTO THE
WORLD IF YOU CANT AFFORD IT AND HAVE TO REMAIN ON WELFARE AND TAKE MONEY FROM ME OUT OF MY TAXES TO FEED YOUR CHILDREN THAT
YOU COULDNT AFFORD ON YOUR OWN TOO FEED, BUT I HAVE A DAUGHTER, AND I COULD AFFORD IT, AND I LOVE HER AND I WANT MORE CHILDREN
MAYBE JUST ONE MORE, HEY I KNOW THIS WORLD ISNT THE BEST, BUT IF NONE OF US EVER HAVE CHILDREN IT WOULD STOP THE HUMAN RACE
AND WE WOULD HAVE NO WORLD, THERES NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY THAT I WOULDVE CHANGED MY LIFE THE BEST DECISION I DID WAS TO HAVE
MY DAUGHTER, NOW , SOME PEOPLE DONT WANT CHILDREN, THEY DONT LIKE THEM, AND DONT LIKE WHAT THEY REPRESENT, BUT I DO I LOVE
BABIES CHILDREN, AND THAT SPECIAL BOND I HAVE WITH MINE, THIS IS THE BEST THING I EVER DID,AND WE ARE A GREAT FAMILY,AND IF
MY MOTHER GOD, REST HER SOLE, EVER CHOSE TO ABORT ME, OR TAKE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS, I WOULDNT BE HERE, AND I WOULDNT BE ABLE
TO HAVE SUCH A GREAT LIFE THAT I DO NOW, BEING A MOTHER ISNT FOR EVERYONE, BUT FOR ME, ITS THE BEST THING I EVER DID, THANKS
FOR POSTING MY COMMENT, AND IM NOT TRYING TO STOP THE HUMAN RACE, I DONT BELIEVE IN HAVING 7- OR 10 OR EVEN 14 KIDS THAT I
READ ABOUT OR ON TV, THATS WAY TOO MANY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DONT HAVE ANY MONEY, AND HAVE TO ABUSE THE SYSTEM, BUT WHEN YOU
HAVE ONLY 1 OR 2, AND HAVE THE LOVE OF CHILDREN IN YOUR HEART LIKE I DO , I TOTALLY DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT,THANKS
SO MUCH, AND GOOD LUCK EVERYONE, IM NOT MORAL CHILDFREE,I ALSO DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE, BUT I WANT TO SEE
MY GORGEOUS DAUGHTER,WALK DOWN THE ISLE, GET MARRIED, BE A DOCTOR LIKE SHE WANTS TO BE, HAVE SOME CHILDREN,ONLY IF SHE WANTS
TOO, AND BE ALL SHE WANTS TO BE, THANKS FOR HEARING ME OUT, AND HAVE A GREATDAY, EVERYONE, DONT LET ANYONE FORCE YOU INTO
THINKING THERE WAY OF THINKING IS THE RIGHT WAY, EITHER CHILDRN ARE FOR YOU OR THERE NOT!!!"
Taylor,
I have nothing against you because unlike a lot of the people who don't agree with us, you could actually speak civilized
and not attack us.
You said if no one had children, the human race would die out. All species will die out or change/evolve one day. That
is just the way it is. The dinosaurs had no Moral Childfree or birth control pills and they still died out. Animals and plants
go extinct all the time...as the song says, "we ain't nothing but mammals". Even if it doesn't happen in the way that we think
it will, there are still any number of things that could render us extinct such as nuclear warfare or even a meteor. This
is not some far fetched sci-fi thing I am talking about. In the year 2000, we were almost hit by a meteor. It just barely
missed us. If the meteor had been coming from a different point, it would've hit earth and we all would've turned to vapor
like that. If there are other life forms out there, they would never have even known that a planet Earth existed. So simply
having children doesn't guarantee anything with regards to the human race continuing on. The only thing you are guaranteeing
is the death of those children.
You said if your mother had taken birth control throughout her entire reproductive life, then you wouldn't be here. You
also wouldn't have known or cared that you weren't here because people who don't exist can't be bothered by anything. You
also wouldn't have to suffer or die. The best of lives has suffering...nothing is perfect. Even when things are going good,
there is always going to be something--no matter how small--that's wrong and that causes dissatisfaction. That's the way life
is. And you and others may not be able to get that life=suffering because you are just so used to it and maybe they don't
deeply think on it. As the saying goes, "he who lives in an outhouse doesn't smell the stench". Most humans don't know any
better because this is all we know and we don't even analyze or recognize the "stench" that is in our home Earth. We just
plod along with it and keep putting others in that same situation.
You say that you have a good life and that's good. But just because it is good to be a life doesn't mean that life in itself
is a good thing. A two year old may be tall to be a two year old, but any way you slice it, a two year old is not a tall human.
Anyhow, I still want to thank you for not coming into the site with rhetorical questions and sarcasm like a lot of the
others. Thanks for being civilized and logical. Take care of the little girl.
